“Gays in Dutch Military Cripples Readiness”

Any truth to this?

Did the Dutch Military Chief of Staff ever confirm or deny the commander’s allegation?

On the contrary, it is you who show little interest since you seem to shy away from engaging in debate.

1. “Christians believe the suffering Jesus suffered was more than physical. The so called ultimate suffering Jesus experienced on the cross was be his separation from God the father, not his beatings.”

So are you admitting that Jesus’s physical suffering is nothing remarkable compared to the rest of history? As for his non-physical suffering, it is only an assertion that it is the worst but nothing more than an assertion.

2. “You exercise reductionism in your argument, similar to how I can say looking at a black box with lights is stupid when it’s really a television. It’s a common argument used by materialists.”

Looking at a box with light is stupid until there is EVIDENCE to show that you can receive information from it. For all you know, the box could just be a means of lighting a room.

By the way, my emphasis is on evidence not reductionism since I have some philosophical reservations on the approach myself. So please stick to showing me evidence.

And you still haven’t shown any evidence, just merely made assertions. Rather than accusing me of materialism or trolling or whatever, why don’t you show me tangible rigourous proof of God’s existence. If you don’t do that, you have lost the debate.

Once again, proof that those who protest the loudest…

Denial is not just a river in Egypt, Clarice… Oops, I meant, Clarence.

Glad you’re actually showing a little interest. I didn’t want to think you merely had a hobby of trolling.

1. Christians believe the suffering Jesus suffered was more than physical. The so called ultimate suffering Jesus experienced on the cross was be his separation from God the father, not his beatings.

2. You exercise reductionism in your argument, similar to how I can say looking at a black box with lights is stupid when it’s really a television. It’s a common argument used by materialists.

Christians believe that Jesus suffered the ultimate suffering.

Or the part where they believe in the existence of God but can’t show any tangible rigourous proof?

Saying it is a straw man doesn’t cut it. You have to engage otherwise that is just ignorance. :)

I am glad you see that what was “sexually acceptable” for men of God in the past is not acceptable today.

Indeed, human understanding of God and his economy has evolved through the centuries. It isn’t because God has changed. It’s because we’ve been allowed to see more and more of him.

The role of LGBT people in the church will continue to be a hotly debated issue and I have no doubt we will move towards greater and greater acceptance (but greater polarisation will come first). This won’t happen in your or my lifetime but it will happen, and it is happening. It will be a glacial change, but it is still a change.

Look, the role of women in the church has been debated for CENTURIES and we still haven’t arrived at a consensus yet. The gay issue, I suspect, is going to take us even longer.

So for now, we will have to agree to disagree.

You’re right to say that it’s foolish if what you said was true. However it’s not. What you’re saying is basically a strawman of Christianity. Not that I think you’re really interested in attacking anything more than a strawman anyway.

Oh yes you are right, I shouldn’t use the word ignorant to a bunch of people who believe that the ultimate suffering is some carpenter dude who suffered for less than a day on a cross. You speak to Christians and they act as if Jesus was the only person who was crucified during the Roman empire. And that it is the worst suffering imaginable. Haven’t you heard of cancer? Haven’t you heard of evisceration? I can think of a thousand more examples where the death is equally if not more painful. Such ignorance of history! :)

Oh yes and then there is the belief of an imaginary friend/father figure. Hello, I used to have an imaginary friend when I was 5. I used to call him Bob the unicorn. It is fine if you are a kid, but as an adult I wouldn’t call that ignorant but foolish.